Contents:
1.) Introduction
2.) What Are Shit Tests & What Purpose Do They Serve?
3.) Shit Tests & Game
3a.) Shit Test Passed & Shit Test Failed: An Example
3b.) Examples: Standard Shit Tests Women Use
4.) Shit Test Variation & Severity
4a.) Basic Shit Tests – Frame Probing & Word Play
4b.) Advanced Level Shit Tests – Psychological Games
4c.) Nuclear Shit Tests
5.) Passing Shit Tests
6.) In Closing / Relevant Reading
1.) Introduction:
Many people seem to think that shit testing is a social device unique to women; whereby a form of social test is employed to determine the social fitness of a male in order to discern if he is a viable sexual option or not. Now whilst this isn’t wrong per se, it is an incredibly limited and rudimentary view of shit testing. Shit tests are a basic yet vitally important part of understanding and applying the red pill philosophy to your life. Even if you don’t agree with red pill philosophy, shit tests still affect you. As a basic social dynamic, shit tests are something so incredibly inextricable that you’re going to want to be able to identify and quash them as a matter of due course. Now without further ado, let us begin.
2.) What Are Shit Tests & What Purpose Do They Serve?:
Why are they called shit tests? Well when somebody “gives you shit” and fucks with your head to see how you will react, what you are experiencing is typically a (series of) shit test(s). Everyone has been shit tested, gets shit tested and will continue to be shit tested; It’s an unavoidable part of human interaction. We use shit tests to make value judgements about people, likewise they can be used to determine how people cope under pressure. The underlying mechanism of shit tests is to test your mettle. Hence the name is not only fitting, but likewise, accurate.
Shit tests don’t always have to be questions, they can be blanket assertions that are accusatory or provocative in nature. Such assertions are designed to elicit an emotional response from you, pushing you into a state of reactivity and causing you to reveal information about yourself.
“Ok, I get that, but why not just ask me what you want to know rather than play these silly games?”
The ignorant who have already passed judgement on the topic this essay covers have undoubtedly already thought this. Humans have a propensity to lie and tell people what they think they want to hear. This is especially true of women and the effeminate men who emulate them; both are consensus seeking creatures who crave the approval of the group above all else. This goes some way to explaining why women regardless of social standing indulge in vapid social pleasantries that men of substance have neither the time nor inclination for. They are anti-confrontational to the most sublime degree, but nevertheless, I digress.
On the immediately observable superficial level, the majority of people are concealing their true identity. Thus in order to make accurate deductions about the personalities around us, we challenge one another subtextually and draw conclusions about “what the other person is really like” when gauging their responses. Shit tests can be blatant or they can be covert, how they manifest depends upon the intent and personality of the individual employing the test. The sum potential combination of differing shit test scenarios is so vast that I cannot possibly give an example of each and every possible outcome in this article. Therefore I shall instead bestow you with the knowledge necessary to refine your own analytical capabilities so that you may act accordingly when you find yourself being shit tested.
People have a tendency to exaggerate their own strengths and project a false heightened image of themselves. If you’ve ever been on Facebook you will have seen this first-hand. These people are not showing you who they really are or what they’re really worth, instead they’re showing you “their life’s highlights” and leading you to believe that this is how they live all the time, that “they’re just that awesome.” They want you to believe their social value is higher than it really is. Well, surprise, surprise, people don’t just do this on Facebook, they do this in real life too.
Those who consider themselves “a bullshit free zone,” eg: masculine men will “ball bust” (read: shit test your ass a new one) quite relentlessly to determine “just how much of a man you are.” If you are an effeminate or timid man, you will feel bullied rather than challenged and this tells the group everything they need to know about you.
You will fail to understand that what you are experiencing is a social initiation ritual that all men must go through when they are new to a male-dominated group. You will be relentlessly ridiculed to determine what you’re like and where you belong in the pecking order. If you are too reactive, you will be rejected and exiled from the group, or relegated to the bottom position as the emotional punch bag everybody ridicules for cheap laughs. To avoid finding yourself condemned to such a fate, you must demonstrate you can spar verbally without taking too much to heart.
Shit tests are used to “determine your frame.” Frame is a concept which essentially means “composure and self-control.” If you need a visual metaphor, imagine you are a work of art on a gallery wall. You are kept straight and presentable by the frame you are kept in. If the frame was taken away, your picture would fold and you would fall to the floor. In the physical sense of the metaphor, your canvas folds, and you, the picture, fall to the floor bent out of shape. Psychologically and symbolically, folding means you have “lost control and given up” in the way that a player folds when they surrender in a game of poker.
If you can keep composure/seem unfazed and/or assert your boundaries despite a shit test, generally speaking you will be considered to have passed the shit test. If you get upset, offended, doubt yourself or show weakness in any discernible way when shit tested, it will be generally considered that you failed the test.
I will summarise this section of the article with a valuable conclusion: whilst passing shit tests psychologically raises your perceived social value, failing shit tests psychologically lowers your perceived social value. Pass people’s shit tests to garner popularity and social success, fail them, and you will become an ostracised and unconfident outcast.
3.) Shit Tests & Game:
If a pretty girl says “I bet you say that to all the girls” (a run-of-the-mill standard shit test) and you stand there with your jaw ajar speechless in what to say, you have just failed her shit test. Your silence is not useful because she can see you are not wilfully ignoring her, you’re just stuck for what to say and your mental slowness is blatant. This is a huge faux pas that communicates stark social incompetency.
An example of passing her shit test? The infamous agree and amplify technique. If you were to say “Yeah, but normally I forget their faces” and she follows up with “So what, you’re saying you won’t forget mine?” (another shit test) and you reply with another agree and amplify “Not if you give me a reason not to” in a charismatic tone, then you’ve effectively used game to come out victorious in that round of testing.
You cannot falter in the midst of a shit test. Sometimes they come out of nowhere, completely unexpected and catch you by surprise; which is why being good at conversational improvisation and word association are fundamental tool boxes to being able to destroy any shit test that may come your way.
If you are abstract/metaphorical in your thinking and verbal skills, you will have a lot of fun with shit tests. Men with subpar wit and verbal skills tend to struggle with shit tests. As an aside to men who fall into this category, I suggest you watch more stand-up comedy to develop your wit and speak more with people to improve your conversational ability. If you get good at “speaking shit” which is essentially freestyle improvisational conversation based upon nothing more than word association, observation and mockery; you will find passing shit tests to be not only easy, but likewise immensely enjoyable.
Shit tests can be passed in a multitude of ways, so even when passing it’s not strictly a matter of “whether you passed or not” but just as important is “how you passed.” For example, people with a good sense of humour tend to accept negative labels and make jokes out of them, we call this “agree and amplify.” Mentally violent people tend to quickly find a flaw in the person attacking them and deflect by associating the shit test with a weakness perceived in the original tester, thus attempting to humiliate them – we call that a pressure flip.
3a.) Shit Test Passed & Shit Test Failed: An Example
I’ll give you an example of a common shit test women use, for the sake of the example let’s pretend your name is Tom: “Haha Tom is one of those player guys, you can tell just by looking at him!” It will sound like a complaint, but it isn’t, it’s a shit test and she wants to see how you respond to her bullshit. She is conjuring up inane accusatory nonsense purely to incite a response and determine your level of confidence. After she says this she will look at you to gauge your body language and get a better read on your frame.
Strong response: “Sounds like you’ve got an eye for talent.” Body language wise give her strong “I’m gonna fuck you ’till I split you like the Grand Canyon” eyes, or be aloof and distant as if to suggest her test is pathetic. Shit test passed, vagina’s beginning to moisten.
Weak response: “I would never dream of stringing a girl along!” and then you start idiotically justifying how “you’re not like that” eyes widening, palms are sweaty, wishing you were at home with your mum’s spaghetti. Shit test failed, she’s drying up.
I will make a point of saying here that whilst women will deliberately and consciously shit test you, much of it is entirely subconscious. They do it, but they’re not aware why or even when they do it for the most part. Women who read this blog are probably not indicative of that assessment, as naturally my literature will have elevated their self-awareness beyond that of the average female.
3b.) Examples: Standard Shit Tests Women Use:
– “Aww, are you upset?!” – Translation: Are you a beta? Ignore it or agree and amplify. “Yeah I’m going to go home and watch Titanic now.”
– “You’re such a player aren’t you?!” – Translation: Are you alpha?! Ignore it, be mysterious/vague “maybe, come find out” or agree and amplify “you don’t know the half of it.”
– “Buy me a drink!!” – Translation: Are you a beta? Compliance test. If you buy her shit you’re a chump. The correct response: “No, you buy me a drink.” You communicate you’re more valuable than she is. Only lower value men buy drinks for random women they don’t know. Unless you’re preselected out the ass (eg: you own the club) in that case you can buy shots for homeless men and nobody gives a fuck. The boss man gets a pass for doing weird and insane shit that would see lesser men condemned.
– “I have a boyfriend!” – Translation: I have Schrödinger’s boyfriend, demonstrate to me you’re high value and I’ll fuck you regardless. It is hilarious when they say this. “What boyfriend, your imaginary one?” – Then laugh in her face. – “Sounds like you’re shit out of luck, I’m going to have to fuck your friend instead, feel free to watch.” Always be prepared to get slapped when you’re running this kind of obnoxious asshole game. Don’t say I didn’t warn you, consider the slap a sign she cares.
– “I don’t date short guys” – Translation: You look like a beta because you’re not physically imposing. Of course only guys who aren’t considered tall by the cultural standard of the country they are in are subject to this shit test. The correct response is to agree and amplify: “Yeah I’m a fucking dwarf even in my heels.” There is nothing worse than a short guy who is all messed up over his lack of height and gets insecure at the first mention of it. Women will shit test you on this if you are short (or even average) height. You have to seem like you don’t give a shit about the fact you’re not considered tall. If you get upset, she’ll think you’re weak because your jimmies were so easily rustled. Be unreactive, no fucks should get given, you can’t change your height so you have to learn to accept it.
– “Do you believe in love at first sight?!” – Translation: Are you a beta? The answer to this is always no. Or if you’re bold and don’t give a shit about being slapped and want to escalate with tension: “I didn’t but then I saw your titties on the way over and I’ve been having deep philosophical reconsiderations ever since.”
– “Can we be -just friends?-“ – Translation: I think you are a beta that should do my bidding. The answer to this is almost always no. Unless of course you don’t want to bang the chick (she’s a uggo) and for whatever reason you think she’d be cool to have around.
– “How many girls have you slept with?” – Translation: Do you get laid a lot or are you a sex starved beta? Saying you have not slept with many girls communicates low value. Exaggerate your number if it’s low. If it’s high give any old number assuming you’ve kept track. Fail-safe responses: “I’ve lost count.” – “What, today? Not many.” – “Pick a number, any number.”
– “Do you have a girlfriend?” – Translation: Are you a beta? (Can you get laid?) – The correct answer is always yes (it increases your preselection.) Women love poaching men from other women, they essentially find whatever is “in demand” to be attractive, that’s what we refer to as “preselection.” Ways to pass this test: “she told me not to tell anyone” – “We’re not Facebook official” – “I don’t cuddle her after sex, so no?”
– “I bet you have a girlfriend!” – Translation: I want to fuck you but I don’t know if other women find you hot. More overt variant of the above which assumes you’re preselected, indicating a higher level of interest. Again, even if you don’t have a girlfriend, you should say you do or otherwise indicate that you do to increase your perceived preselection.
– “Hold my bag for me!” or “Will you go and get me a coffee?” – (substitute bag/coffee for whatever) – Translation: Are you a complicit beta that will do what I tell you to do? This is a compliance test wrapped up in a power play to see if you are “wrapped around her little finger.” Some variation of “No” or “Hold/get it yourself” does well. Sneer whilst you say it for bonus points.
As you may have noticed from the repertoire of woman’s bog standard run-of-the-mill shit tests, they are incredibly fixated on discerning whether or not you are a beta (guy who doesn’t get laid much, if at all.) If in doubt, err towards being an asshole. Being identified as a beta dries up panties quicker than you can boil an egg in a Sahara sauna. If you show boldness and exude a “I will mockingly bullshit you” kind of attitude, you’ll do just fine.
4.) Shit Test Variation & Severity:
You have three separate themes that shit tests fall under:
– Dominance
– Compliance
– Fitness
A dominance shit test is used to determine how mentally tough you are, eg: “do you always whine like a bitch?” A compliance shit test is used to determine how much influence a person has over you, eg: “get me a coffee.” A fitness shit test is used to determine your social skills/sense of humour eg: “you look hilarious when you’re crying.”
Dominance is an underlying theme behind all shit tests, however dominance has its own classification too. Fitness tests are normally also dominance tests, but a dominance test can be employed purely to test/wrestle for dominance and have no humour determining component attached to it. A fitness test merely wants to determine your ability to banter and endure a verbal onslaught, normally if you fail at fitness tests the tester won’t want much to do with you socially speaking. In light of this, compliance shit tests and fitness shit tests share some overlap with dominance shit tests, consider them more specific sub-categories of dominance.
As a rule of thumb, the more messed up the individual is, the higher the stakes are. Likewise, the higher value the person you’re dealing with, the more severely you will be shit tested. EG: CEOs will shit test harder and more frequently than office assistants, women with daddy issues will shit test more than women who had stable relationships with their fathers. BPD women never stop shit testing.
In further example, interviews are essentially a collection of shit tests. Going for a job? You’re going to get shit tested “to see if you’re worth employing.” Those weird questions you get asked such as “if you had any kind of super power, what would it be and why?” and “name your biggest weakness” are shit tests designed to indirectly determine the strength of your character, creative intelligence and confidence. It’s not only what you respond with that matters, but likewise how quickly and in what manner (are you confident/dominant or unconfident/submissive?)
The “name your biggest weakness” shit test seems to be a question that continuously protrudes and persists with employers nowadays. It’s as if rather perversely they want to subtly neg you and see how you handle it to determine how you deal with ego violation. I sincerely doubt they care much for your introspective capacity.
In generation narcissist (millennials, but growingly, their generation X parents too) this of course leads to a lot of confusion as well as butthurt: “I don’t know” and “I don’t even… but mummy and daddy told me I was a special snowflake!” As a freebie, my response to this shit test is: “I’m so egotistical I don’t even know what my weaknesses are and find introspection difficult.. so I guess being blind to my own faults would be my weakness.” Now ironically, that statement is introspective, humble and paradoxical, so the answer is something of a head fuck, however most times I have used it in the past it has been accepted as a valid answer.
Be warned however, particularly shrewd/Machiavellian recruiters will probably see this as a red flag. If your instincts tell you the recruiter is highly Machiavellian, ditch this tactic and admit to something asinine such as your constant battle with timekeeping – these people are seeking an honest admission imperfection, not the smart ass narcissistic shit I recommended up there.
Bear in mind I use long words and elaborate metaphors as part of my linguistic register in real life, it is natural to me. Using canned lines is bad because it means you lack natural game and need to borrow from another man’s wit. If you are not so wordy, it will look weird if you are not congruently wordy but instead only wordy in the passing of a specific shit test (because it is a line you have read on here or somewhere else.) This will arouse suspicion that you have some sort of script pre-prepared because your answer seems out-of-place in relation with how you would normally talk. So if you don’t talk as elaborately as I, you can shorten it to “I don’t know what my weaknesses are, is that a weakness?” At this point they may try to lead you to “confess a weakness about yourself.” Treat it like a police interrogation where they try to get you to “admit you committed a crime,” which in this context is equivocally: “admit that you have a flaw.”
When you say you don’t know your weaknesses they will ask you a series of questions under the guise of helping you, but in actual fact these are all overt shit tests posing as honest questions “Are you a bad timekeeper? – No.” “Do you suffer from confidence related issues? – No.” “Do you have problems motivating yourself? – No.” Why would you tell an employer that you’re low confidence, poorly motivated and never arrive on time, even if it were true? You want to get an employment contract after all, are they really going to hire you with with the knowledge that you’re a bad bet?
If you’re dumb enough to fall for these shit tests, you lack the basic social competency to get yourself a job. It amazes me how self-detrimentally honest people can be when they are subject to even a tiny amount of social pressure from a position of authority. Likewise, going out on a date with a woman is a collection of shit tests “to see if you’re worth having sex with.” Being in a police interrogation room is a collection of shit tests. Being heckled by members of the audience as a comedian is a collection of shit tests. And it goes on and on and on. Shit tests are an inescapable and recurring element of life, so you better get good at handling them.
4a.) Basic Shit Tests – Frame Probing & Word Play:
When most people think of shit tests they’re thinking of basic tests designed to probe your frame (mental stability, congruency and strength) via word play. Basic shit tests normally manifest as insincere questions. An example would be something like “do you always talk to people like that?” They can be played off as a genuine question into the nature of your character, however its true intent is to discern how you cope with being put on the spot. Basic shit tests usually rely on the element of surprise to catch you unaware. An improvised basic shit test is spawned out of a play on words or some other similar facet of word association. The shit tester will take a statement of yours and ask an associated question (or make a statement) which purposely distorts its meaning in a somewhat hostile manner. Here are some examples:
You: “I don’t trust women”
Them: “Is that because you find women intimidating?”
You: “I like cookies”
Them: “I’ll get you a gastric band for Christmas then”
4b.) Advanced Level Shit Tests – Psychological Games:
Advanced level shit tests are subtle but retain plausible deniability. Rather than directly questioning you or challenging you in an overt verbal manner, typically they will opt to challenge you in a covert non-verbal manner. Inspiring jealousy by excluding someone who would typically otherwise be included in something is a shit test. It is a test to see if you care enough to voice your concern, or challenge those who would otherwise opt to exclude you. Naturally, seeming unfazed and outcome independent regardless of your contempt for said shit test is the optimum way to handle things.
When people shit test you and it’s a lose-lose situation, opt to ignore them. You only win by not playing. For example, if someone insults you publicly to try to stir up drama (and it is assumed they will benefit from such controversy) your only recourse is to deprive them of the theatrical controversy which they seek. I’ve found that the more successful I’ve become within the various realms of my life, the more I’ve had other socially dominant men try to test my mettle by flagrantly disrespecting me just to see what I’ll do about it. It can be subtle and implied, or overt and explicit. Either way, not playing is oft the only winning move in such a situation. Even if you can come out on top in a battle of wits, you sink a lot of your precious time combating nonsense that you gain nothing from.
When you’re powerful, other people see opportunities in attempting to bring you down a notch or two. Such people will try to get you to react to their inanity merely so they may bolster their reputation by latching onto yours. It is for this reason that the art of silence; ignoring your enemies overtly is a necessary skill set that all men looking to preserve their accumulated power should master and employ with regularity. It is simple, when you feel someone provoking a response from your ego, interject your emotions with the question “is there a way for me to benefit from responding to this?” if the answer is no, replying is pointless. Let reason override emotion, cultivate this skill by refining your self-discipline.
Such shit tests are typically obvious in their intent to put you on the defence. Once you get caught in a web of shit testing, you will often find yourself justifying your choices and explaining your actions. This lowers your social value, wins you no respect and digs an even deeper hole. Non-Machiavellian logic fails in handling shit tests, people do not respect rationality, they respect only indications of high status. Explaining yourself, no matter how rational your explanation is will be perceived as a demonstration of low status. Do not justify yourself, if you find yourself explaining yourself in the midst of an argument or theatrical device, you’re losing and would be far better off just immediately exiting stage instead.
At the advanced level you find there is a lot of blame shifting, typically in discussion the shit tester will try to convince you that you are somehow responsible for any flaws or weaknesses of theirs. Women particularly seem to habitually blame shift, it’s not only a self-defence mechanism to diffuse feelings of inferiority or guilt but it also acts as a shit test because if you accept the blame, you will be seen less favourably.
You: “Come on you need to pull your weight around here.”
Them: “If I’m lazy it’s because I’m following the stellar example you have set.”
Now of course the dialogue above could be a perfectly healthy part of banter, but bear in mind that an inability to banter has the same effect as failing a shit test within a serious context. Whether pleasurable or not, banter is simply shit testing for the sake of mental stimulation, and like more serious shit testing you still need to be able to respond aptly. If your ability to handle shit tests is poor, make a conscious effect to observe how stand-up comedians deal with hecklers.
4c.) Nuclear Shit Tests:
A nuclear shit test colloquially referred to as “going nuclear” or “the nuclear option” is when someone does something which violates conventional social boundaries in order to see how you will react. These are a step up from “advanced level shit tests” being more extreme in nature, usually bordering on psychological/emotional abuse. They can be covert (removing all the money from your bank account and feigning ignorance to see how you deal without money) or overt (somebody taking a bite out of your food and then staring at you in the eye.)
Nuclear shit tests are designed to test your reaction not by probing your psyche with words, but by probing your psyche with actions that would typically be expected to offend, hurt, disrespect etc. Say you’re with a girl and you’ve hooked up a few times. She’s pushing for commitment, but you’ve not acquiesced to her demands. You’re both out at the club and she starts grinding on another guy. She’s doing this to make you jealous in an attempt to force your hand. She’s using dread game and trying to get you to commit to her by inspiring competition anxiety within you. Dread game when used by women is a nuclear shit test. How do you pass this shit test? Go talk to other girls, when it inevitably comes up later she was grinding respond with “that’s cool” (it signifies you don’t care in a positive manner) or “you can do what you like” etc. Realise she did what she did for your benefit, to test you: it’s all about you. If you weren’t there to see it, she wouldn’t have used another man as an instrument to manipulate you into giving her an offer of exclusivity.
5.) Passing Shit Tests:
There are many mechanisms which one can employ to pass a shit test. Passing a shit test means you have responded to the test in a way that either neutralises the tester’s challenge or causes them to perceive you as confident, dominant and valued. Before we begin, a note on agree and amplify: agree and amplify seems to be the “shit test buster” of choice for most people. Agree and amplify is really good for making jokes, but if used inappropriately eg: in the presence of potential violence, it could make things worse by actually escalating instead of defusing things. If a violent man walked up to you and said “Do you want me to fuck you up?” (this is a shit test, but he will do it if you fail) and you agree and amplify on him: “Yes in the ass please” instead of being impressed by your wit he is likely to respond: “So you don’t think I’m serious? Let me show you how serious I am” followed by an attempt to beat the hell out of you.
Be aware that not all shit test busters will work in every scenario. You have to use your common sense, calibrate to the situation and determine what shit test solving method should be utilised based upon the context.
Now let’s say you approached a woman and began the conversation with an improvised opener, and she replies: “I bet you use that line on all the girls.” Here are the various ways in which you could pass her shit test. They are plentiful.
Agree and amplify is the usage of the logical fallacy reductio ad absurdum (Latin for: reduce to absurdity.) What you do is you take someone’s criticism and nonchalantly imply it is absurd by exacerbating what they have said. So in relation to the shit test at the beginning of this section: “Yeah I literally wake up in the morning covered in bitches it’s that effective.”
Disagree and amplify is the same as agree and amplify except you disagree rather than agree with the premise. So in relation to the shit test at the beginning of this section: “No you’re the first girl I’ve ever spoken to, I used to be a mute.”
A pressure flip is where you reverse the social pressure put on you back onto the originator of the social pressure. So in relation to the shit test at the beginning of this section: “I bet you think everything’s a line because you’ve got trust issues.”
Agree and pressure flip is the same as a pressure flip except you precede the flip with agreement. So in relation to the shit test at the beginning of this section: “Yeah I do, I’m sorry, did you think you were special or something?”
Disagree and pressure flip is the same as a pressure flip except you precede the flip with disagreement. So in relation to the shit test at the beginning of this section: “Nah you’re too ugly for me to be dropping lines on.”
Ignore – Provide no acknowledgement of the shit test by ignoring it. This is a bad choice when you have just met someone, but once your reputation and/or superiority has been established it is a great way of nonchalantly invalidating the importance of an enquiry. It implies “what you said isn’t even worth addressing.” This is best used on people who are lower in the pecking order than you are or as a response to the manifestation of stupidity. If someone asked you if you liked to eat your own excrement, you could have a joke and agree and amplify into something about a sewer using your keen knowledge of word association and semantic fields, or rather simply you could ignore the inanity of the question. The choice of style is yours to make and will be contingent on your mood, your relative social positions in relation to one another and what you suspect the shit tester’s intent is.
Misdirect – Change the topic of conversation to something else, this invalidates the enquiry by providing no acknowledgement of it. In this sense it is similar to ignoring a shit test. There is a chance however that the tester will become annoyed by your invalidation and will thus retest you until you pass with a more effective method. This works best on people with attention span issues, as they will often forget how they were testing you once distracted, and if they ask you what they were saying you can simply feign ignorance, invalidating their test and condemning it to beyond the grasp of their engrams. In relation to the shit test at the beginning of this section: “Have you farted? It stinks.”
Ridicule Reframe – This is major asshole game or what I personally refer to as “Patrice O’Neal Game.” You use this kind of game to bring incredibly narcissistic and angry women off the ego pedestal. Don’t use this on timid sheltered women if you ever want to sleep with them, they’ll get too intimidated to act upon their attraction. Ridicule reframes are particularly helpful in bantering with other guys, who relish in the verbal violence and ensuing laughter it can inspire. In relation to the shit test at the beginning of this section: “I bet you’re single because your face looks like a 9/11 crash site “
Pseudo-Gaslight – This one is really simple. You pretend you have no idea what the person shit testing you is talking about and accuse them of making things up. So in relation to the shit test at the beginning of this section: “What line? Got an active imagination have we?”
6.) In Closing / Relevant Reading:
I wanted to include dark triad shit tests in here to complete the compendium of shit test related information, however I feel that as the dark triad portion of the site operates as a standalone section; having its own article would make for more optimised archiving and searching should someone specifically want to look up how dark triad individuals shit test people. Not only that, but due to its intricacy this piece has become far longer than I had originally intended and I do not wish to be intentionally terse in my discussion of dark triad shit tests just to keep the word length down. Dark triad shit tests will be the topic of a future article.
This piece has broken down just some of the games that people play and given you a basic understanding of how to be socially resilient. With practice, you will find yourself recognising the subliminal social games others are playing and will learn how to respond and initiate them yourself. If you feel you could do with some more help enhancing your social mastery and popularity, look no further than these books:
Buy “Games People Play: The Psychology of Human Relationships” in the USA
Buy “Games People Play: The Psychology of Human Relationships” in the UK
Buy “Games People Play: The Psychology of Human Relationships” in Canada
Buy “How to Win Friends and Influence People” in the USA
Buy “How to Win Friends and Influence People” in the UK
Buy “How to Win Friends and Influence People” in Canada
One of the most thorough posts I’ve read on shit tests. Awesome.
This is awsome and thank you
I had to look up “Schrödinger’s cat” to understand “Schrödinger’s boyfriend”. Great analogy. Once your SMV reaches a certain threshold all boyfriends and husbands cease to exist.
Yep, they certainly do. You get it. It doesn’t matter whether he exists or not. If he does exist and you’re high enough value she will cheat on him with you. If he doesn’t exist, she just threw it out there merely to see how it would affect you. This stops most guys with weak game dead in their tracks. They say something silly like “Oh, I’m sorry, I didn’t realise” and then she realises he’s a guy “that doesn’t get it” (the nature of the game) which in and of itself is unattractive to women (low social intelligence.)
ultimately, despite the fact that I act unphased, this completely kills any changes of ever banging the girl simply because, now it’s become a game of wits, if I can get you to the point you want to cheat, you lose. Paradoxically, since I no longer want the girl, it increases my chances of getting the girl.
That is always a bit of a boner killer, she has a husband, she has children, she is incredibly hot, she would cheat, and she is very interested; too much baggage, next!
Witness that phenomenon one too many times and you will likely never consider marriage as a sane option for yourself. Though, women would likely tell you, in that case you are among the winners, nothing for you to worry about then, enjoy, it’s all about rainbows, unicorns, and smooth sailing… Most of the guys I grew up with have all had their balls removed from them in one way or another after marriage, and they are pretty butt hurt over it now that they are divorced. A lot of guys actually took on the worst character traits of their wives while married to them. And, if you look at how grossly unattractive the majority of women become as they age, I mean, 85% of women are not doable, and yet some poor bastards are laying in bed with many of them, every day of their life is a walk of shame, but they comfort themselves with the notion that it is for the children, while looking for avenues in which to take their frustrated lives out against. And you guys are desperately wondering and conniving over the issue of how you can get some pussy? Why don’t you simply rub some tuna on your fingers?
Spot on. Your are brilliant too.
I made a pass at a woman I work with, I found out after she had a bf but she never mentioned it. I never followed up. Thoughts?
So lying is social intelligence? Thats why I hate society. What are these shits tests even and cheating is okay? What the fck.. The world is rotten.
Yep. I hoped to find a comment like that. Throw in the words juvenile & stupid, and that’s why I turned away from social scenes in my late teens. I’m now 48. Never had a gf, or suffered a break-up, etc etc. I’ve had a happy life of substance
Question about this particular shit test — her stating that she has a boyfriend. Let’s say that she’s asked you out for coffee after work, but then one of the first things that she says, just on the way to the car, is that she has a boyfriend. Would simply ending the evening right there be a strong response to this shit test, or a weak one?
Honest question. This happened to me once, and half of me wanted to do that — just end the evening right there. But I went through it. Later, I wondered if I shouldn’t have simply exited right at the mention of the Schrödiger boyfriend.
Sounds like she was just screening you out early. Doesn’t make a difference really, as long as you show that shit tests don’t work on you, you’re going to be fine.
She’s going with you. That means she finds you attractive enough. The possibility exists. I just ignore the comment and proceed. Pay attention to what women do, not what they say.
She was testing you and it’s a common one. One time I was about to have sex with a woman and she said she was on her period so I stopped right there but I ended up having sex with her a week later. Maybe she was on her period or she probably wasn’t but like Poolside at the Decline said pay attention to what they do and not what they say. Most of the time shit tests are just that, ways to to test your imagined ” manhood ” to see if you’ll act like a man and not like all the little boys girls meet all the time. If you pass you get all the sex you want until you or her get bored so it’s well worth it.
When I look back at my relationships during my beta days, I can vividly remember how several failed shit tests lead to the breakup.
Great write up, this will certainly clear up any confusion on the matter.
Agreed. After reading this I can say with absolute certainty that one of my first girlfriends used to shit test me all the time, except I had no clue at the time she was doing it, and therefore never passed the tests. I have also had other friendships, and when viewed through the S-test framework, make a lot more sense. On a broader scale, I have also heard some people suggest that the last 40-50 years of the feminist movement has been nothing but a collective S-test against western society (I.e. the so-called “war on women” nonsense, dressing football players like 8-year old girls, etc). The world makes a lot more sense through this lense.
” then you start justifying how “you’re not like that” eyes widening, palms are sweaty, wishing you were at home with your mum’s spaghetti.” hahaha. This post is exactly what I needed to understand this concept more thoroughly. I just started slightly picking up on these tests after months of reading about it but this has definitely helped for sure. Thanks, mate.
Finally an article that explains shit testing in depth without just regurgitating the same old material and examples that you see all over the other blogs and forums. This is a must read for anyone who is trying to improve their social game.
Hey illimitableman could you elaborate a little bit on shit-test frequency with plates and LTR? Is their any order to frequency (or severity). I’ve been dating this girl for 2 months. is Pre-LTR. But I’m now getting more shit-tests then before. Like me telling her Im going to bed after just got done texting about each other’s fantasies and she asks me to wait for her to go to bed cause it’s the least she deserves (said in joking manner). I told her I’d rather leave her hot and bothered regardless of what she deserves ;). Then I got tested again last night tell her im going to bed. She blows up my phone with 3 texts 20 minutes later to see if I’ll extend conversation. So on and So on.
Why now moreso then before?
You failed the shit test when you accepted sexting instead of banging.
A shit test is when a woman calls you up at either 1:00 / 2:00 / 3:00am, expecting you to be excited about her call, the thought of her being potentially a bit inebriated and horny, and now she is calling you! A nuclear way to put an end to this type of shit test is to demand to know what in the fuck she thinks she is doing calling you at that hour! It is worth it just to hear her whimper and stutter. Conversely, you can play the game, and maybe she will come by for some musty bucket sex, which would suggest that she couldn’t get laid earlier, or at the very least that she did not have an orgasm.
She is texting you her fantasies??? WTF are you waiting for? A red carpet?
I don’t mean to be rude, but you seriously need some tough love.
Move your ass or someone else will take her from you.
Do you really believe that ‘taking your time’ is a good thing?
Do you realize that eventualy she is going to give up on you?
Most women on this planet put out faster than you!
I have bedded 20 yr old conservative virgins faster than this. Several of them, in fact.
And two of them believed in sex-after-marrriage. That is until I put my tongue betwen their legs. Suddenly the panties come off.
“Like me telling her Im going to bed after just got done texting about each other’s fantasies and she asks me to wait for her to go to bed cause it’s the least she deserves (said in joking manner).
That was not meant in a joking manner.
You are fucking clueless.
What she was saying is she wants to get laid (NOW) but you are not manning up to the job.
That was a last ditch effort on her part and you failed, again!
“I told her I’d rather leave her hot and bothered regardless of what she deserves”
That was a great comeback, but If you didn’t get laid that night then you still failed!
After hearing her fantasies, instead of going to bed, you should have told her that you have to do a few things but for her to wait up for you.
If she asks what for, tell her that you are going to give her the biggest set of multiple orgasms in her life. Don’t respond to any more texts! Dont answer your phone!
Instead, rush your ass over to her house. The moment she opens the door make your move right there with the door open. And do her right there on the linving room floor!
That is the kind of move every women dreams of.
If you don’t got enough balls for that you aren’t man enough for her.
If you have been dating this girl for two months you have no game (plan) at all.
I would guess the only reason she is still dating you is because she is (a) uncertain about what type of man you are, (b) confused about what kind of man she wants or (c) she is too ugly or insecure to get the man she wants (in this case: isn’t you).
The fact that she is retestting you tells me that she probably spent the last two months looking for something better and failed. And now, she has decided (due to some element in your behavior) to reassess her earlier eval of you to see if she overlooked any of your qualifications. This is good news for you, if you know how to up your game without playing the fool (like you have been).
I have climbed in bedroom windows, fucked, got caught by the parents and then came back for more the next day. Serously, (my first time) the step-father was a deputy at the sherifs dept.
He called my mother and complained. but I didn’t give a shit. I literally just lost my virginity. I was 15.
…and I was just like you. I was clueless to the game I was involved in.
But the differnce is that I got the balls to make the moves.
You have to have the courage.
You have to be willing to risk it, to get it.
Fuck rejection, fuck pity, if you want results you have to have to put yourself out there.
And you have to do so often enought you get comfortable with it.
That is true with every aspect of life.
After reading this article, what most dudes don’t understand is that shit tests are ONLY ONE element to the dating game.
It sounds like you need help in several areas.
Go watch the movie “hitch” and take notes. That movie is for real.
Then, buy and study the book called “the game”,
http://www.amazon.com/The-Game-Penetrating-Society-Artists/dp/0061995320
And I mean study like its your fucking bible and school book combined.
Annlyze that book, take notes, test your menory of what it says, and make comparisons between it and your past methods.
Dude you are full of shit and full of yourself. I have the balls to go for it, etc etc. You are coming off like an opinionated ass running this guy down while at the same time acting like you’re trying to help. Please, its all about your ego in your post. Thanks for taking time out of your pussy filled life to help us less fortunate. Go fuck yourself clown.
Whoa asshole…
I am the arrogant one, but you are the one starting a pissing contest?
How many constructive comments have you even given in here? Zero?
How many people have you given advice to in here? Zero?
The only thing you have done is here is troll and hate, so don’t even go there.
“Move your ass or someone else will take her from you.”
THAT is the way the world is.
Either you man up or someone else will take that shit from you. that is how it is.
You be a man and step up or step back and watch someone else steal the glory.
If you are not man enough then go back to yo mama’s kitchen and hold on to her apron for a while, cause that is the only pussy you are ever going to get with your self-pity / hater attitude.
It’s not my fault that I have confidence and you don’t.
You’re acting like a woman, Joe.
On the contrary, I think Scott’s answer was exactly the one that needed to be said.
Perhaps instead of getting offended by Scott’s answer and telling him to go fuck himself, you should try to understand why it offended you so much.
Scott’s answer was inappropriate considering the extreme nature of it. Fucking a woman is one thing, but you will run in to problems building a normal life and a stable home with that nonsense. Joe, I suggest you find a devout christian woman or lower your standards and a find a woman that will worship you. Save yourself the headache man with all the unnecessary games from people who will constantly challenge your value. Life is too short. By the time you are 60 with grand children, Men like Scott would have had several divorces with children from different wives. They will claim that they are still fucking virgins by age 60, but the truth is that they would have hit the wall with nothing to show for it.
I can tell you get a lot of ass by the way you write your posts. You are a god amongst boys. Thank you so much for your help. Im happy that you are confident, i can also tell that by your posts.
Women are also known to spend time watching asinine soap operas and reading inane romance novels. Guys who engage in shit testing and talking shit are generally on the feminine side psychologically and they tend to be full of shit. They typically are the MOST reactive bunch of ass clowns there are, which is why they, like women, attempt to stir up drama. And, for the same reason low order delusional women will embrace alcoholic drug addled poverty stricken men, of little or no social value or worth, as alpha of the highest order, based on such pathetic tactics as shit testing, a man of substance will walk away from such tripe altogether, because he damn sure does not need the approval of the mindless herd to begin with. These are the most reactive people you will ever meet, and they become very emotional over the slightest perceived criticism, they tend to be the kind of people who can dish it out but cannot take it, believing that their vapid idiotic social lives amount to a life and death struggle, and they are typically as phony as a three dollar bill. Their ego is their identify, and there is nothing there behind the shell. They struggle and fight like hell to maintain a strong frame, because they are weak as hell and would collapse without it, so they engage in false constructs and illogical fallacies, their whole lives are typically a lie.
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Nice post, but some shit tests are made up or ludicrious for instance. If woman says, she has a boyfriend, it may really mean she has a boyfriend and telling you to piss off. If woman says you are too short to date, she may actually tell you the real reason she wont date you. Not all women are skanks and its not that simple as you describe. Not EVERYTHING is shit test. For instance, one woman has showed me why women play sometimes hard to get or those I dont know answers or what not. It builds sexual tension, believe me when woman knows what she is doing with the hard to get for instance, she will make you horny as a 15 year old boy watching his first porn. Many women epicly fail at this.They go overboard, they miscomunicate, they forget to wink or smile or use wrong words wich means you may take it wrongly, like she is not interested while infact, she is interested only wanted to make it little more insteresting. Many women use this as shit test, but in my opinion its origin was a meant of flirtation. Little harmless mindgames can make you horny as shit…both of you. These tests can be actually fun, if the woman is experienced and knows what she is doing and what to actually test. And thats why those stupid women end up with drug addicts who beat them up or rape them….because they actually backlash, because if she overdoes for instance hard to get, the only people who will stay with her are pathetic losers and well she will end up with one of them. Seen it too many times.
A better advice would be to learn body language, rhetorics and psychology…you will never have the same problems ever again + grow some balls dammit.
For Scott.
Hahaha, you are so full of shit + advertising some crappy book. With your “stories” you would only end up with a right kick into balls or tazed. While you are right with the you should grow balls, you are so wroooong with the you can shag any woman you want. If women doesnt want shag you wont get any unless you rape her. You can be master charmer but if woman doesnt want, you wont get here there, simple fact. The only way is to manipulate her, but even if she is adamant on not having it, you wont have it. The irony is that the more charming and good looking you are, the less chance you have getting laid, because women have so called bs detector. If you are smooth talker and looking good, they will automaticaly categorize you as the one who wants to use me a.k.a player + they dont want to be the “evil” one, they dont want to be the one who cares about looks only + the hostiliy of her friends…. They may get out of their way to do things for you, but you wont bed them, they will flirt but they will chicken out. Great example is my friend, who looks like a fucking ronaldo, knows smooth talk, has Money yet….he has got to be most unlucky in love you could imagine, women and ironically women dont fall into his lap they are actually intimidated by him alot, women are human beings too they get intimidated by good looks like us men do, this applies to any of my good looking friends, they are single alot. Its a big problem, because if you want even basic interaction with woman, she will either shy away, stay there like salt pillar, behave like crazy. If you want to shag her tough luck, you are womanizer in here eyes forever.God protect if you want normal relationship with her, it will be nuclear shit storm and even if she will see you are actually normal guy who wants to have relationship with you, tough luck she will chicken out because of jelaousy,envy from her friends and such, only few women have nerves of steel for such bs. You have to be average or slightly but only slightly above average and you have to find the proper group. Because if you are average woman is not intimidated by your looks, doesnt categorize you as player and if you are ugly than tough luck too. But ugly guys have it easier than 10/10 photo models. Women love when man has balls, but women are full of contradictions. She may want to sleep with you, she will fantasize about you, but believe me, sooo many times she will just chicken out…like men too. Majority of men too, if woman would just show up their V and say fuck me now, they would run away. Its not that simple, best bet is being drunk.
Its not that simple.
Good response. I’ve had women pull shit tests last minute on dates. Example one girl texted me and said ” Would I be a total bitch if I didn’t show up”.
Women who are not very attractive or physically fit will glare at very fit and attractive guys, and give them the most hateful stares, or up and down looks! It speaks the attitude of, “You think you are better than me!” If they are in any position to do the guy harm, then the “I’ll fix you!” attitude will fall into play right behind it. You are correct, women will turn on their female friends out of envy. And if a woman sees that her friend is mad in love with a guy, watch her try to poach him from her, or at least fuck him behind her back! I never played games with women, and I have slept with a slew of them, and women will disown their friends out of envy, and they will cheat if they believe that it might offer them a better opportunity, or simply for the adventure and experience. But, good looking guys have to be on their guard, because other guys will view them as a threat and they will work alone or in cliques to try to bring him down, and loser bitches will do the same thing, while they go through auto rejection. If a good looking guy does not sleep with a woman on the first get together, she will begin to doubt her sexual desirability and feel that it was a wasted encounter. If he does not sleep with her on the third encounter, she will have a psychological melt down and throw a fit. For a man who is calm, collected, and icy chill, and maintains a strong internal state, the sense is that he is living among a gathering of baboons. Much of what people refer to as “human nature” is nothing more than animal instinct.
Women tend to get PISSED when you pass it up! A gorgeous, thin, athletic, feminine hottie was drooling over me the other day, we kept making solid eye contact with one another, then she parked her butt over in a somewhat secluded area, and she waited for me to come over. When I did not venture over yonder, she shot me a really impatient glare, she was definitely DTF, and I guess she figured I was just the one to plant a stick of dynamite between her legs. I left her dangling in frustration instead. But, I am not saying to myself, “Oh, man, I blew it! If only I could have seen what was going on! That was my chance! Oh, when will I ever learn!” That kind of thinking is for the butt hurt. I am not suggesting that I did not want to tear it up, but other things come into consideration at times. I am somewhat stoic when it comes to the monkey dance, not because I cannot get laid, but because there is an abundance of opportunity. If you were walking through an orchard, and there were spoiled and rotting fruit everywhere, and there were plenty of fruit that were on limbs and within easy reach, you would not walk around pissing and moaning about the fruit you did not taste.
“I have bedded 20 yr old conservative virgins faster than this. Several of them”
Could you stop shitting up society more than it is already?
Great post, thanks.
On this , worth reading the following. Google it
“Danger and play
Stop excusing shit tests. “
This shit-testing is only tolerated in the lower and middle classes. Do shit tests in the upper class and you will be regarded as crude and uncivilized, and effectively ostracized, regardless of whether you’re male or female.
Agreed, there are different shit tests applied at different levels of society. Class distinctions often involve overt or covert signaling and non-verbal communication.
Very good point. My last girlfriend was borderline and I researched obsessively to try to understand all the shit that she did and where she was coming from.
I understand now and it doesnt phaze me because I know what she is doing. Looking back at my previous relationships with higher quality women they would never shit test, on the contrary, would just be chill and supportive.
I guess if you dont mind shit tests its not that big of a deal, but understand that you dont have to put up with that shit. If you dont feel like it, just next her.
Clearly you have had little or no interaction with the upper class (or what you have had has been horribly ineffective). The upper crust shit tests CONSTANTLY. They simply do it in a less obvious and obtrusive manner. They are masters of double meaning, plausible deniability, and crushing others in a polite battle of wits. They also tend towards mastery of social intelligence, covert action, the biting remark that forces you into a lose-lose situation concerning responses. Read the ’48 Laws of Power’. Twice. There’s a reason it isn’t called the 48 Laws of Paupers and Peasants.
Great post! Shit tests aren’t very effective against someone with tight inner game. I love having tests thrown at me, simply out of the entertainment I get from passing or ignoring them. It’s even more fun to flip the script on the tester and watch them try to get their footing.
I’ve never stumbled upon your site before. I’ll be paying attention to your future work.
Hey buddy, glad you’re enjoying the site!
Completely agree with your comments on inner game also. In my beta days (a few years back) I hated shit tests, I feared them. Now? I indulge in them, I flip the script and I have A LOT of fun with it. In fact I almost find an absence of shit test boring. This is not only great for making friends, but likewise getting laid!
All the best, enjoy your Christmas period.
Being challenged is an essential part of building strong relationships. Whether you’re butting heads with a potential new friend or flirting with an interesting girl, it’s always more fun and rewarding than having something simply fall in your lap.
Likewise! Good luck in the new year.
The more of an asshole and non-affectionate I am, the more power I seem to be given by these women. I’m 90 pounds overweight. 5’11 280, fat as fuck. My muscular in shape buddy tells me to look at a girl and tells me how hot she is. I end up fucking her that night and I go to my buddy’s room the next day and he’s in awe, actually stops hanging out with me for a while. I laugh with my brother about it because I pull more girls now, then when I was in complete shape and muscular a few years back and beta. Just started opening up to these things, but it fills me with excitement because I’m not even close to being what I consider, my best game. And chicks still want the D because of how I act. The funniest of all is, the more I understand the psychology behind how women really are, the less my life is consumed with trying to get “pussy”. I have a distaste for many types of women and decide to use any sexual energy on productive things. I dismiss the undesirables, and focus more on what I want. IT’s beautiful because it helps me become the best version of myself. Opens up time and money for improvement in aspects I see fit, and gives me more power in life than I felt was possible. Being in shape is essential. But it goes to show how powerful this truth is. It’s laughable.
On a slightly related note, don’t Agree and Amplify against male-to-male shittests too often. Most of the guys I know realise that this is the go-to response to shittests, regardless of if they even know what shittests are in the first place. I’ve actually lost respect for guys when they respond in this way, because it’s such a default way of responding that it still doesn’t display much social skill. Disagree and Amplify is usually the wittier option when done correctly, but ignoring their shittests or disregarding them with a simple yes or no usually works better.
Of course agree and amplify is great for girls, which seems to be the main focus of this post in the first place. Just keep in mind the responses are different between men and women as men have inevitably dealt with more shittests than women, making it easier for your answer to be deemed uncreative by them. Don’t disregard male-to-male shittests, as they’re one of the easiest ways to assert a high position in their social group.
It is great for interaction between and among people who are psychologically, emotionally, and developmentally arrested, and for those who like to, or care to engage with them. Scientists state that when people come together for the first time, they are operating at the psychological level of a six year old, and then often times what follows is a phenomenon known as group psychopathology.
Very detailed. Props.
Today the first mate asked me in essence, “Why do you always treat me with disrespect?” My answer in essence. ” I’m shit testing you to see if you can remain submissive no matter what.” How is that for turning the tables some?
The other day a Russian chick, after I spoke to her and her friend for about 5 minutes, said – with a cunty look on her face, “so are you trying for a chance?” I feigned ignorance. “A chance for what?”
“A chance to get with a voman tonight. So are you?”.
She threw me off with how she mangled every social code in the book by being so direct and lunkheaded, and I laughed in her face – and goodnaturedly told her that my girlfriend was at the bar (true) and that sometimes men talk to women without trying to fuck them (true in rare cases).
But what’d be a good response to this?
“If I wanted you, I could have you up against a wall within 10 minutes.” Then hold eye contact and smirk. “I hope your panties aren’t moist.” Then walk away. If she grabs your arm or stops you or calls after you with emotion: she’s DTF. There are a lot of ways to pass that shit test, that’s just my style. Excessively confident, assertive, but indifferent.
To dissect my answer:
– I’ve assumed the sale
– I’m unfazed by her audacity, I’m being more audacious than her which proves my confidence.
– I realise she is talking about herself, so I am cutting through the bullshit and being direct like she was.
– If she throws out the plausible deniability card and starts bullshitting, I don’t care, I’ll just walk if she doesn’t make it worth my while.
– I’m pretty confident even if I don’t bang, I’m going to turn her on and she’s going to remember me.
– It puts the pressure on her to match my audacity or give into my frame/charisma. At which point I will fuck the solid shit out of her.
Cheers mate. Very good breakdown and reply. It’s high risk high reward. That would especially work on Eastern Europe chicks.
You wanna know why it takes me so long to read these posts?
Every. Single. Sentence. I read will fling me into flashback mode. Every sentence explains a litany of times I’ve failed these shit tests and social interactions. Everything from job interviews to interactions with OR WITHOUT women involved, I will spiral into a web of memories that are both painful and annoying. These articles are insightful as all fuck, but at the same time if you’re as mentally and socially screwed up as I’ve been for so long, it’s also extremely overwhelming. With all of this in mind, I don’t WANT every social interaction to be a walk on a razor’s edge, and thus be an endless exercise in anxiety, but knowing how easily you could lose your social standing for such trivial bullshit is really discouraging.
I guess I needed this, so thank you. It took me forever to read it all, but I’m going to need a lot of time to process all of this. Maybe that’s my problem, spending too much time in my head – I don’t know how to stop it besides spending every waking fucking moment “distracting” myself.
The problem with consciously trying to pass shit tests is you presuppose the woman’s inherent social superiority. When you make the decision to pass a S.T. what you’re really saying is, “I care enough about what you think of me to deliberately whip up with some kind of contrived comeback in order to qualify myself as a potential sex partner.”
I think understanding what shit tests are is important. As far as passing them? Eh, if you really don’t need female validation, you’ll pass them automatically because your behavior is naturally aligned with genuine confidence.
Personally, I’m turned off by women who shit test too suddenly and aggressively. It shows me they’re very immature and/or insecure. And if they say something rude and offensive? I walk away. Or I tell them how socially retarded they’re being. Many times, this approach intrigues them, but I don’t care: They’ve already demonstrated how fucking immature they are and I don’t want to fuck with them unless they redeem themselves.
That’s not to say I’m some ultimate “prize” that women are obligated to please and impress constantly. I’m not. I just know what type of women I fuck with, and those who insult me, lie to me, or aggressively challenge me within 90 seconds of meeting me don’t make the cut. That simple. Hardcore shit-testers are the female equivalent of insecure beta males who run “asshole game” in a thinly veiled attempt to convince the opposite sex they aren’t desperately in need of female validation.
Well said… agreed.
We have a lot of men working far too hard to impress narcistic bitches…
Modern city girls are spoilt fools who dont realise how quickly they would need mens help if.. a hurricane came along, or social chaos due to massive terror attack etc
And the men in question cld be fat and insecure, they wld still have skills and strenght that women wld need.
Good article by camille Paglia in the telegraph.. “there is no room for anything manly now” on how masculinity is attacked from primary school onwards.
This is good advice. I hope Scott reads it. This is what confidence looks like.
All good info. Ive been thinking about these kinds of tests, and i cant help thinking that a big part of the problem is that few men nowadays have really masculine occupations. Eg building a house, fighting off indians, hunting lions, sailing the high seas…
Coupled with this, most women, especially in non rural areas are brainwashed by anti- male feminazism , have unrealistic expectations, are pathologically narcistic and have little or no empathy for the challenges that men face in a fairly fascist PC
World.
I really dont think city girls are in any way qualified to test a man in any way… as they themselves are weak willed, unfit , have little honor etc etc.
An ex navy seal can throw challenges at me, but he will do so in a constructive way.
Im coming to the conclusion that most city girls are a waste of a man’s time… way too narcistic and shallow. Spend money on an escort instead of wasting time and money…
Build yourself up physically and financially. Then find a country girl with values and moderation.
Fantastic read. It clarified a lot for me and with some of the most hilarious comebacks I’ve read. Aussiejules, I totally agree and couldn’t have said it better.
That’s what it’s all about. Although, every once in a while I do like to fill my ego with good game. Makes me feel how I should. But you’re right, the majority of women I find repulsive relationship wise. Those are the ones who purely fill my need and are discarded immediately like the trash they are. Only women who have strong father figures and avoid the brainwashing of modern day cunts, deserve my time.
Surprisingly this article has restored my faith in love. If some men are aware of ‘alpha-‘ and ‘beta-‘ categorizations, then a few may even be able to transcend such limitations, or even, dare I dream…? to utilize characteristic response and behaviour patterns of each group, as and when required?
I agree with your assessment of (most) women as childish; Mary Wollstonecraft said that in the 1790s and in those days she blamed men for the education (or lack of it) they provided girls.Today we blame media and so on, and, like you, I blame aggressive feminism and overbearing mothers for the emasculation of men. I am glad it seems that, like me, you believe that understanding ourselves and ‘the others’ is far a more worthwhile enterprise than attributing blame.
I wonder if you could help me with a linguistic quest? I am looking for an antonym for ’emasculated’ – in the sense of having masculinity added to oneself?
hypermasculine? e-feminized (not to be confused with effeminate =P)? Macho?
Re-Masculated?
masculate
masculinise
masculise
Then what do I say if I honestly DO have a boyfriend (I do), and it’s interpreted as some sort of joke (which it regularly is)?
I enjoy witty banter with just about anyone–it’s fun to have intelligent conversations as long as nothing is inappropriate. I have no intention of cheating and have never cheated (emotionally or physically). Often I’ve noticed I can’t have these conversations with dudes because they assume that I want to sleep with them, and if they realize I don’t, they spend the rest of the time talking on weird comments to “shit” on me or “knock me off my pedestal”–I wasn’t saying they were ugly or bad, and I don’t think I’m better than them. I was simply excited to connect with someone over Game of Thrones or what have you!
This post leaves me thinking there is no point in being friendly to the guys in my office. They’ll assume my relationship is meaningless, that I want to fuck and if/when I don’t, spend their time trying to take potshots at me so that I feel bad. It’s kind of a bummer, but I guess I’m thankful I’m informed. 🙁
Basically, if a guy likes you sexually, and you don’t reciprocate, you can’t “just be friends.” Just because you like him platonically, doesn’t mean he can stop liking you sexually. It’s one of those unfortunate things. Witty women are flirtatious, and of course those signals are taken as a form of sexual interest. If you prefer guy company to girl company, you’re going to experience this a lot. Sexual tension gets in the way.
As a female I agree with his response. Generally, only Beta males with sexual attraction towards you will remain your friend because of the tension otherwise. My best male friend is a Beta and I love him as a friend. I feel badly for him, but I can’t change who he is and how he chooses to behave. Although I do try on occasion. I got him laid once because I bought him a Trojan condoms shirt and told him that if any girl gave him shit about it to tell her the shirt was completely ironic because he prefers it raw. It worked out for him.
Also, I recognize that at a very basic level I enjoy the attention and flattery my Beta friend gives me because of the ego boost. Women also enjoy some ego building, just as you men do.That doesn’t make me a bitch, it just makes it an unfortunate dynamic from my friend’s standpoint. I think the major flaw with this site is that it posits that women are terrible people when we are not. I never led my friend on, have had the same boyfriend since we met, and was always very direct with him about that. I also will wing woman for him when we go out to increase his perceived value to other women. That being said, if someone is going to be weak (male or female) they are going to have to become stronger or deal with the repercussions. That’s life. I think that point should be more the focus of your site rather than making women the enemy. Doing so is going to create a psychological sexual conflict for your readers.
Otherwise, very interesting site!
You pity him, but not enough to not leverage his attraction into personal gain. Sounds about right. The male equivalent is a dude who fucks you and feels pity for you because you like him A LOT, but he’s never going to commit because he just thinks you’re good for some lust relief. You’re fucking your beta real good, just not the way he wants you to. Glad you’re enjoying the site!
This was a great analysis, kudos to you. I’ve never heard of this term before, but the article was really poignant and relevant.
I also found myself realizing I subconsciously use these without even realizing, so this made me call myself out on my own bs, which is never a bad thing.
One thing I’d be cautious with is the “I have a boyfriend”/”Do you have a girlfriend” “tests”. Reading body language is key here. The first can be a legitimate rejection, or the truth. As a woman, there’s nothing more annoying than a man who doesn’t respect a rejection or doesn’t believe you. “Not interested, sorry” escalates to “I have a boyfriend”, then to “Leave me the fuck alone”. So once again, watch out with this one, not every girl is down to cheat on her man. Also, if said boyfriend actually exists, you could be tangling yourself into a web of bullshit in which a one night stand leaves you with a dude ready to punch you out at any moment. Proceed with caution.
“Do you have a girlfriend” can also screw you over if misinterpreted. Last thing most girls want from a casual hookup is a crazy bitch chasing her down for ruining her relationship. It’s supposed to be a 1 night thing, and implying you have another girl waiting for you back home can add consequences to an action that ideally, is supposed to have no consequences. Also, morals could stop some girls right there. Imo, something along the lines of “who wants to settle down like that at 20?” or “I prefer to be a free man” comes off as more honest.
Depending on the situation (judgement call necessary here!), sometimes people want clear answers, rather than feeling like they’re being fucked with because their legitimate questions are being averted. There’s a stage where your potential partner is checking off boxes – “are we both single?” “Both willing to do this?” – the most basic premise for a hookup, and you don’t want your ego to cause you to fail that shit.
Great article. I can see all the mind games I failed in life.
Helpful grammar: Section 2, final para, should say “summarize” not “surmise”. And Section 4b, para 1, should say “excluding” not “secluding”, and “exclude” not “seclude”. No shit!
Typos fixed. Thanks!
What if a woman says, “sorry, I know you don’t care about me”
I just ignored it completely. But I was a tad confused on how to respond to that because she knows it’s not true. Women do this a lot I feel.
Reading this makes me never want to have to talk to another person again. I don’t see the point in communicating with someone who thinks that sincerity and kindness are signs of social inferiority.
While I agree with you about sincerity and kindness, from my experience those that show sincerity and kindness too often get used by pretty women and power hungry men.
If you ARE that scared, then you already have been rejected and exiled from the group, or relegated to the bottom position as the emotional punch bag everybody ridicules for cheap laughs.
you gotta man up!
Refer back to the article and the simplicity of employing yes slash no replies. Or if the composure comes naturally, silence is the proverbial.
Personally I agree with the poster who remarked on the view of these tests as “crude and uncivilised”. Laughing them off with a boisterous manner works for me.
Having said that, glad I didn’t read this aged 18. Plenty of opportunities to make bad choices, of which a round dozen blew my thirsty beta derrière right off. The boring,the boorish, the BPDs,the selfish,the vainglorious medical student, the hyper foreign tourists. Failing shit tests literally saved me.
Fortunately in these COVID times, you don’t have to be around other people to get anywhere in life. I hate “fake it ’til you make it” strategies. I’d rather be a blunt cunt.
This shit is for real!
I am writing a book about mindsets, beliefs, and dream killers.
I want to use this article as reference.
For my bibliography, I need to know the real names of every person who contributed to its creation and upload.
I think man’s curse is there is always doubt in his mind even he is much clever and master using left brain than woman. For example Iam 99 percent with your little monkey brain you are trying trick IM to give his personal information so you can find solid target for your cult (feminism) to attack. But 1 percent you are really honest guy.
If you’re interested in the mindsets beliefs and dreamkillers, you can use this post if it is in any way helpful to you.
I have zero experience with women- and I’m in my thirties. In my teens I actively strove to counter any budding interest I had in them due to my experiences with girls before puberty. All I knew how to do was get into conflicts with them and that society sees to it that there are no winning outcomes for males when they disagree with females. I was not about to let hormones deceive me into thinking that they were suddenly worth the aggravation of dealing with just because they have tits and ass. After sex-ed in grade five I literally thought of puberty as a force external to my will trying to ‘brainwash’ me. So when it came, I retreated into past times like video games and pretty much anything that could make me laugh and left sexuality to the birds and bees.
Of course, lacking the social skills normal men develop in those years left me clueless on how male/female relationships actually work. Finding the manosphere recently gave me head knowledge from men who are successful with women and making the comparisons with the experiences of people I know and observed.
Learning the truth (that there there indeed are ‘winning moves’ when dealing with females) also came with the confirmation of a disheartening belief. It seems that the best way to sum up the rules of the game is that women are attracted to men who believe and can visibly demonstrate that he is in fact superior to her and the other men she has potential access to and will use his unshakeable confidence in that fact to lay claim to her. Which is all well and good for her when she can get the man who does. But all the man got in exchange is someone inferior to him, who constantly creates drama only to see if she can get away with it and will in most cases never outgrow this childish behaviour. And if that man can make it on his own (which he surely can if he is deemed of any value to women), then what tangible worth is she to him really?
Late twenties virgin here and I just really want to stick my cock in a pussy to know what it feels like. That’s the only logical reason to go after women, I plan on visiting hookers one of these days to see if women are all what they are cracked up to be. Otherwise too much hassle. Why would I not be myself and start being a clown to attract holes? Why would I have children in a world where they give all the power to glorified children(women).
I guess flirting and enjoying feminine energy(whatever that is) is fun for some men but I highly doubt it is worth it. I have rarely interacted with individuals I understood on a base level and they were all men. Most of people are busy being sheeps and talking about useless things.
Is your book out?
Thanks for opening my eyes to shit tests. I was not even aware that they existed until now. Typical beta I suppose. I saw questions only as simple questions, and since I am averse to lying, such questions had to be answered honestly, or at least with the fawning tactfulness that is common to betas.
Even being ribbed by other guys – which you have also defined as shit tests – I found unpleasant. To my mind, it was just low level bullying. The idea that such banter is some kind of initiation is entirely novel. God, my time at high school would have been better if I’d known. My response was usually to walk away, or give an awkward half smile at receiving an insult, or tell the teacher. As I see now, none of this was a good response.
I also found when chatting up women that I completely dried up. Not that I’m verbally incompetent, but that her shit tests and my straight answers just dried the conversation up. e.g. Her: “I have a boyfriend”, Me: “Oh, um, that’s nice. It was a bit rainy today huh? [desperate attempt to change the subject while acknowledging that’s a red flag for me]”. Or… Her: “I don’t date short guys” [I am short]. Me: “OK” [Walking off angry that she doesn’t like something that I absolutely cannot change about myself].
Agreed. I enjoyed a fair amount of grief in Sixth Form too. I ended up concluding that I wasn’t missing out on much if being honest and friendly drew ridicule. College turned out to be much more fun as a result of caring less about making friendships. Banter was an acquired taste for this former bookworm.
At least you didn’t beat the shit out of people who were busting your balls like I did and gain the reputation of being a thin-skinned evil loutish bully. If I had known people do this type of thing I would have handled the situations I was in with a lot more diplomacy and I would have used my command of the English language to verbally humiliate the people who testing me and put them in their place. I really didn’t have a clue about this… I would have even been able to have had a good relationship with my dead Cousin, who I thought was bullying me when I realize now he was just testing me. Too bad, he didn’t know I didn’t take any B.S. but now that I know it exists I know what to look for in my human interactions now.
Great post!!
Amazing article, as usual!
Anything new on the Dark Triad Shit Tests? Would love to dive into these!
Effing brilliant!!!!
dude you let the cat out the bag?! Its great fun when you can beat someone down verbally and generate compliance especially with women. People lie all the time and you have to whip them hard mentally to get needs met lol
Good article!
I’m almost 43 and, I’d have to say that I’ve had a reasonable amount of success with women.
Don’t get me wrong, I have lost some ‘minor’ battles but (and this is a BIG but!) I haven’t had my heart broken (yet!) and, coming close to 43, I guess that is a Big Win! (‘Cos I know plenty poor suckers, my age and older, who basically haven’t recovered!)
Bottom Line… I think the advice here is… ‘Be Yourself!’… And don’t let anyone piss on you! And I mean… Anyone… No matter how high a pedestal you’ve put them on or, in the case of women, how badly you want their pussy!
I’m always perplexed by men who seem to place the importance of pussy above all else… Jesus man! There are Much More important things in Life… Like having an ambition, a goal and a drive to achieve! Work on that shit and, the pussy should come to you…
You can still fuck things up of course (I’ve had a few women approach me over the years but, there have been times when I’ve have blown it!) so, being yourself and not taking any shit are the prime rules… Which can then be further refined by articles, such as this!
Anyway, the last time a very attractive girl approached me was early this year. A new employee at the time at my work place. Man… She’s HOT!!! But young (25!)… Problem? Well yes and no… I’m getting on and for me, maturity and personality are serious traits that I look for in women now… Besides her looks.
Also, I Want to settle down… Eventually… And a woman half my age? Although she did make it clear that she’s ready to have babies… Which I find strange… ‘Cos I don’t have any kids and was too busy having fun and being free at her age… But Hell… I want kids, she wants kids… So let’s see how things go…
Anyway, she started showing me family photos of herself and her family during the first few weeks. She even accompanied me to the train station we took to commute back home (I live in London and she in Reading (UK))… And she also approached me during our lunch breaks to chat etc…
Don’t get me wrong! I’m Very flattered but, I just started a new career in Software Development and, right now, I’m a bit career driven! I do want to settle down but, at the moment, it’s just not my number one priority… Not just yet!
Anyway, suffice to say, she was probably starting to get a little annoyed with me, by not caving into her whims… So that one day, she seriously shit-tested me in the staff kitchen, by challenging my intelligence and my science background!
I have a masters in physics and I was a teacher for 20 years… So having some 25 year old girl, with a fucking art degree, giving me some serious, disrespectful bullshit, wasn’t going to cut it!
I was livid with rage! I mean, I liked this girl… And sure, perhaps I wasn’t ready to get completely seduced by her pussy… I’m a man on a mission right now and, despite having a fucking penis, I Do have the right Not to submit to a woman’s advances, no matter How hot she is!
Anyway, I played it cool for a couple of months… I was distant, getting on with my shit, took the piss out of her a little from time to time… Nothing serious, just a little reminder that my good will mood had changed. But then I hijacked her at a staff party, and in a drunken fit of anger, warned her that she couldn’t ‘fucking talk to me like that’! I also called her a bitch (indirectly to another colleague, but she heard me!) to make sure she got the message that I wasn’t to be fucked with!
Well… She got the message not to shit-test me… She’s a little afraid of me now… But I think she still respects me. Maybe I’ll approach her… Maybe not… But my advice to women would be, if you’re going to shit-test us, do so very carefully!
Some men are going to react differently and, if you actually like the man you’re testing, there’s a good chance the test could backfire and he just ends up despising you.
Sorry, but a guy like me seriously cannot be asked with ‘The Game’… I mean, I’ll play it when I have to but, the moment it starts getting ‘rough’… And I feel that the woman is getting ‘out of her place’… Then I’m squashing it!
Personally, I think it’s a Real Shame that men and women feel forced to play these bullshit games with each other… Love is complicated enough for fuck sake… But if we Must play, then play nicely, respectfully and with wit and humour (very important!).
Getting angry is the same thing as failing their shit tests. Women are essentially full-sized children. They think and act completely on emotions, just like a child. Ever watched a parent ignore a toddler who was misbehaving? Ever watched a parent lose her shit and start screaming and yelling at a toddler who was misbehaving? Which of those two parents do you think “lost their frame”? That’s what you did to the 25-year old. You lost your frame in that moment you screamed at her. Remember, she’s sees the world like a child does. No wonder she’s afraid of you. Children are afraid of parents who scream at them too. Maybe if she has major “daddy issues” your tactic might accidentally work on her, but in general, you don’t want to go down this path… It’s best to stay in your frame. Go and re-read the section above about “frame”. God luck.
This is an excellent article!!
I have been shit tested many, many times by people throughout the years!!
I am a single guy, 37 years old who is not married nor has kids. Heck, I have never even asked a girl out before!! I am a complete and utter MGTOW!! Have been since 1986.
One thing I have found is that I am not a man with a great deal of patience for certain things. Shit testing is one of them. I have seen how men and women treat each other sometimes and I am so glad I don’t play that game!!! I don’t have patience for it. In my opinion, vagina is simply not worth the pain, stress and duress that one has to go through to get it. I would mcuh rather play Fallout IV or Red Faction all afternoon than hang out with a woman.
The other thing that really astounds me is, many men have patience for the shit testing and allow themselves to be treated as such. I cannot understand that!! Of course, if game and vagina is worth the pain and headaches to get there, then more power to you. For me, I use my time, intellect and game for other endeavors. I would much rather invest in knowledge of the stock market, guns, hunting, fishing or video games. But, that is the beauty of MGTOW. One can choose their own way and not be conformed to societal norms and pressures.
I completely distance myself from folks who don’t respect me and don’t accept me for who I am. I do not care for nor do I seek female attention or validation. I am my own second best validator. The other validator is Jesus Christ.
Personally, I have found Jesus to be the best validator in the universe. He does not want me to be used and abused in life. He has a plan for my life. A future that is productive, bright and hopeful. For me, there are only three sets of people I seek validation from. First is Jesus. Second is myself and third are my friends and support system. I have figured out how to surround myself with people that positively affirm me for who I am and whose I am. I discard the folks who cannot positively affirm me or cannot accept me for who, whose and what I am. I discard them like so much garbage!!
Anywys, very good and well written article!!
It is time now to go play Red Faction and dominate Mars!!
Take care all and catch you on the web!!
Steve Timm
What does MGTOW stand fo? Humour is way more fun than anger. Besides being angry just validates everything the fem-nazis say about us men any way. Men are agressive, men are violent, men have anger issues etc.
As for the 25yr old shit testing you and your science, laugh and act impressed that she knows such big words, especially with only an arts degree.
Or the ever popular, shhhh, grownups are speaking.
I dont know. The last 3 years of my life have been a shit test, that I failed (pre red pill).
Hi, Daddymonsterpoodle!!
MGTOW stands for: Men Going Their Own Way. It is a phenomenon that has only recently taken off. I would say the last ten years or so have seen the emergence of MGTOW. There are quite a few MGTOW and Red Pill (reference from the Matrix) sites on the internet that one should check out!!
Take care, Daddymosnsterpoodle and catch you on the fourm!!
Steve Timm
What I find both interesting and frustrating is that shit tests are everywhere and non-stop. My wife of 13 years tests boundaries constantly. My boss says shit just to fuck with me. Friends jockey for position with playful put downs. I’m not a master of shit tests. It causes difficulty.
Great read. it makes me sad that this is how the world works, but its about time that i start manning up.Any advice on recovering from being a beta?
I got really good grades in high school and am pretty good looking. I was also very popular with the other betas, which made me a big target for ‘bullying’ or shit tests.
Do you also have advice on how to overcome past abuse and get back in the game. I used to love talking shit but I’m having problems finding my footing.
“Do you also have advice on how to overcome past abuse and get back in the game. I used to love talking shit but I’m having problems finding my footing.”
Check out the work of Rollo Tommassi therationalmale.com
So what youre saying is…
Many fucks are given to those who feign to give zero fucks? But if you really give zero fucks, than youre not given any fucks since youre deemed as having lost this invisible fight? Sounds crazy.
Regardless, as a nuclear shit tester and recipient, heres a few pieces of advice…
Dont start what you cant finish, it makes you look short sighted and ill prepared. Conserve your resources and only go nuclear when its truly worth it. 2. Temper the sharp and playful banter / with gentleness warmth and genuinety. You’ll end up sounding nothing but rancid and repulsive otherwise. 3. End game is everything. Work backwards and your moves will be consistent and natural. After all, what you want to see / show the shit testee / tester is your truth. If you dont have a truth and hesitate or end up living in a state of confusion, you’ll end up missing key opportunities or end up being dragged mercilessly by ones who do.
This is fantastic. As a woman who acknowledges that I shit test, sometimes intentionally, but mostly as a reaction, to provoke a response or out of an inner conflict that I haven’t acknowledged yet, this is a great post.
Very often, women do not know what they are feeling in the moment. Our emotions can be intense and even conflicting. Especially now that we have a culture that tries to tell us we are certain ways or are supposed to reject certain things, we feel inadequate or “wrong” when we feel something different. That creates an inner conflict between what we are experiencing and what we think we should be experiencing. That conflict creates a sense of instability as well as a layer of doubt, fear and shame that we are not what we are “supposed to be.” Many of these feelings are buried and they come out in surprising, often unproductive ways. One of these ways is the shit test in part because we’ve been told that the origin of our suffering is men (a newer phenomenon) and also because we look to the men in our lives to resolve our problems, even our emotional problems (likely a tendency since the beginning of time).
And how can men be both the cause and solution to our problems? More inner conflict (or hamstering, as many would describe it!) The shit test is an emotional outburst to gauge if our problem is caused by or can be resolved by the man. What you get to the heart of with your solutions, is not to take the question seriously, you are not taking responsibility in any way (the cause or the solution) for her inner conflict. When you “answer” her shit test, you are in a way taking responsibility for her problem, which most times will mean she will blame you. But it is truly not a man’s problem that she has these inner conflicts. They are a result of our culture, the misinformation spread to women and their personal hormonal cocktail.
The real solution, of course is for her to understand her body chemistry better, her moods, her feelings and take personal responsibility for handling them. And to reject the current cultural teachings which tell her that men are the cause of her problems, that tell her to reject her femininity, that tell her that to be strong and that she must always be in control of everything.
And in the meantime, helping men understand these shit tests, good ways to respond to them, maybe a little sympathy/empathy for her inner conflicts, is the best we have at the moment.
xoxo, Kitten
Now I don’t disagree with your article but….the way you frame it…
An interview is a sh t test
Going on a date is a sh t test
Talking to people is a sh t test…
If we use this logic, then isn’t life in its entirety a shit test? Hanging out with your friends and you poke fun at each other…shit test.
Your dad and mom teaching things, shit test. etc etc.
I’ve learned a lot about ‘shit test’ because of this. Thanks! I need this.
Thanks for the excellent post; it’s one one which I’ve linked to in my blog. It’s a very good breakdown of the process in dating and in life. I’ve heard people talk about female shit-testing among certain animals, but I haven’t found any articles yet. If anyone has any scientific studies, please let me know.
Keep up the great work with this blog!
Great read!
what about this shittest please ?
she said : wtf, it sounds perverted when you say it !
Can I get my ex girlfriend back after I failed her shit test? i had this girl who was constantly testing me, I was clueless I was being tested because I didn’t know woman do this, but I was always saying the right words even though I didn’t know i was shit tested… then one day I just lost it coz i felt like she was making a fool out of me by talking bout the same thing over and over, when we text (whatsapp) she would just say she doesn’t want sex anymore I get annoyed because she was saying this shit everyday not matter what I say she will always bring this out of nowhere.. then i told her if she doesn’t want me anymore she should just tell me, she replied ‘ok’ the chart ended there.. then the next day we meet at the park she told me that she is dumbing me I asked why? she said she has made up her there’s nothing that i will do and say to change her mind she looked damn serious never seen her angry, I really got pissed at her after hours of patient begging her… i ended up saying “i wasn’t ready for this relationship anyway sorry for wasting your time” she started crying and I was just standing there confused coz i didn’t understand what was going on… she told me that i will regret i said never… then I told one of my friends told me that she loved me she was only testing me and I messed up… ive been in NC rule and I regret and feel embarrassed.. is there any chance I can get her back? or should i just apologize and say i didn’t know what i was doing? sorry for my english
It’s not only about breaking her shittests, but what you do after that ! You should go forward to the next step (so it’s not breaking shittest=>sex)
You impose your frame, show her you’re the boss, complice test, physical escalation, arrousing, then go for the kill (she may give you a LMR last minute resistance, if so you only need a small push and pull move and she will back on the track)
Dont be confused, when a girl is in a state of being so emotional (either happy or sad crying) at that very moment anything you do will be engraved in her memory, so if you act weak at that moment she will always remember that .. No matter how hard you try to be alpha back again
When she’s crying never try to fix that, crying is good, that means she has emotions, having emotions is better to have nothing or be boring ! Sometimes when i run of things to say to a girl i tell her fuck you, beleive me we end up having sex (not the same day)
If you scrow up and she’s in a state where it’s stack in her mind that you’re not alpha, you just need to not be around for a while (until she forgets) if ever she asks for you(because you were not available) you can start new emotions and start fresh (not emmidiatly)
Eish Last night I sent her text that I’m sorry for everything that i put her through, I was evil I wish i could take them all back because she didn’t deserve it (I finished 30 days NC rule).. i told her i don’t want to be friends nor I’m planning to get her back, but we shouldn’t be enemies because we didn’t want work out and if she ever wanna talk about anything the door is always open. she replied “there’s no problem hey, thanks and God bless you” and I asked if she still loves me she said she doesn’t feel the same about me anymore but she don’t hate me, and that She is done with boys..
And 30 minutes later she updated her status “Don’t chase after the person that doesn’t want you” I feel like I messed up again coz her friend which she knew through me, earlier before the apology forwarded me the conversation that they had… (on the convo) she said we’re done not in millions years she’ll ever get back to me… i feel hopeless i feel like I should have been honest that I want her back. she is so manipulative and stubborn
Oh for fuck’s sake!!! You clipped your balls off acting like such a weenie loser. You should have told her to go burn in hell. You’d probably have had angry make up sex a few days later if you’d just said that and shut the hell up. Yeesh. How many fucking times will you guys act like apologetic losers, apologizing for shit you didn’t do wrong, or exposing your soft underbelly and handing your woman the knife? I know Hollywood sells shit movies which depict men as morons and pussies, but do you really have to adopt their philosophy?
But when you gush over her and sacrifice yourself for her, she sees you as an idiot and would sooner have sex with a tree branch than ever look at you again. And the more you whine, the more she’ll think that. BE A MAN. Walk away. Write her off in your mind, and develop your own life. Feminazis and psycho bitches are the result of several generations of weak willed men who lived to be white knights and provided their sons with weakling examples so they could grow up to be weaklings. Fortunately you can deprogram yourself and learn to be a better man. Be strong, forget about that chick, develop your life. Gyna will be there when you become a man. Right now you’re still writing like a little boy clinging to momma’s skirts for emotional validation. Snap out of it!!!
The best way to handle a shit test from a prospective dating women is to just call her out on it and ditch the looser bitch. There’s other ‘quality’ women out there that aren’t trying to gauge their superiority over you.
Why cant people just be fucking honest.
I have always ignored all shit tests, I just look at them with a face of “are you serious?”
This was a very informative article. Since I’m a pretty much a loner, I act like a fucking psycho so people are too afraid to talk to me. I like to be unapproachable so no bitch or nigga can come near me.
What women say “We want men who can communicate really well, like we gals can!”
What women do: stifle, confuse and mess up communication to the point it’s almost useless with endless shit tests and use of covert language that is designed to test a man’s “intuition skills”.
The reality is, men ARE good at communicating. Just not telepathically or by some perverse encoded mess using cues, clues, hits and suggestions. Some men are better with intuition than others, granted… and for those less emotionally intuitive, it’s a living nightmare.
Women’s inability to be direct and just say what it is they f*cking want: one of a hundred reasons relationships with them are tired and over-rated.
there is a lot to be said going for a walk in nature. good date option too but even alone it beats hanging with a lousy girl. even the sex isn’t worth it. there is something missing and it just doesn’t satisfy. better to skip that and work on finding a superior woman. from the sounds of it a lot of these pick up artists are going for hot women that they rate a 9 or 10 but are probably not very high rating on the scale of love and caring and I think thats where your going to find the best ‘sex’ dont even know really one time i kissed this girl all night and thee was something amazing about it no other kiss came anywhere near close. this has something to do with feeling and intrstingly we started kissing in the park so fits with the nature or relatively so as far as avaiable nature in the city. this girl was a 9 or 10 way better than these pic up artists have clue about.
Thank You for the eye-opening and informative read! Up until reading this article ( and a few weeks ago ) I didn’t realize that all my life I have been dealing with shit tests from people, an ultimately FAILING them. I am usually considered ” hot-headed ” and ” reactionary ” and that I take ” life too seriously ” but now I realize it’s because I was a social moron and didn’t realize that people ” bust your balls ” all the time.
As for girls, I usually DO pass their shits tests but the ones who administer shit tests in the first place are the total bitches I don’t want to sleep with. I am 5’8″, 300 lbs. some people can call me a fat slob all they want but the fact is I’m always clean, I dress well, and I’m not ugly. I’m also intellectual, articulate and come from a good background so that has helped me in developing the sort ” game ” I run on the females I want to meet. I once read a line in a PUA book somewhere that said in ” male-female relationships, you give to the giver and take from the taker “. I interpreted that as you must REWARD good women and CHASTISE bad ones, and it’s usually the most messed-up and bitchy women who run shit tests and head games. It’ll end badly for them in the long run, let me tell you.
There are plenty of fine, beautiful women out there are 10’s who don’t run shit tests. If a guy doesn’t want his ego challenged why doesn’t he go for one of them? I think as men we tend to shoot ourselves in the foot just to satisfy our cravings for sex. Bad move.
Good point majingeyd. Some think that the hotter the girl is, the the more shit tests she runs because she has so many guys after her that she needs to separate the good ones and filter out the weak men. In my experience that is not the case, the more fucked up or insecure the girl is, the more tests will come your ways. Good, decent, gorgeous girls from good family and with strong father figure will not test but insted just try to support her man. Basically I would say its good to learn game and aquire experience, but ultimately you dont really want those girls anyways. If you date a borderline for example, she will NEVER stop shit testing you and creating drama. You dont really need that, plenty of good pussy out there. Just my two cents.
“Mentally violent people tend to quickly find a flaw in the person attacking them and deflect by associating the shit test with a weakness perceived in the original tester, thus attempting to humiliate them – we call that a pressure flip.”
Example:
Girl: “I bet you say that to all the girls”
You: “You’re the kind of girl who’s always selling herself short, huh?”
Give me some good responses to the “you’re so selfish you only ever think of yourself” shit test.
Tarl, try these on for size:
Girl: “You’re so selfish you only ever think of yourself.”
You 1: “Only because you weren’t doing it.” (can backfire if you’re she’s psycho)
You 2: “You’re welcome to join me. I’m pretty grand.” (same as above, but you should be laughing as you walk away from her and grab a drink, if you’re sitting there waiting for her validation, she’ll know you’re a wuss and treat you like one)
You 3: “Hah! Want to give me something else to think about?” (if she starts talking about the poor or less fortunate, you’ve found a crazy and should quickly leave.)
You 4: “Got a reason I should think about you?”
These are corny, but your attitude is what she’s gauging. If she sees you being light hearted and amusing yourself at her expense, she’s likely to be perplexed. If she’s pissed off about it, lose her immediately and find a better woman. Tits, ass and Gyna aren’t the only reasons to seek a woman. If all you need is Gyna and you’ve got cash, hire a certified escort. They’re tested for STD’s and will only cost you the price of the night and you won’t wake up with a cold sore if you kiss ’em (and you can sue the company if you do after they certified you wouldn’t.). A shitty attitude wife or girlfriend will cost you your LIFE. Just look at Phet4Yuh’s posts above. That guy just chopped off his own balls (figuratively speaking) and texted them over to his witch of a girlfriend.
I have a question relating to the statement “people do not respect rationality”. Is this pertinent to solely the context of defending yourself or can it pertain to other, more general matters, such as justifying a decision?
This article is exceptionally well written and thorough. It should really leave the reader thinking – about each and every face to face interaction in daily life: “How am I being shit tested in this particular instance?”. At a minimum, this thinking has me delaying my responses to the more seemingly innocuous interactions. When the test is obvious, it’s a no brainer. But stopping to think for a split second has me coming up with a second, better answer. What I’ve found is that I am too quick to help people and fail the “Will take on other people’s problems” test. Now, I am more inclined to say “You need a good mechanic – I know a guy.” or “Well, if you haven’t firmed up your list of movers already, you’d better get on it!” Another thing I’ve learned is that people, especially women, and ESPECIALLY socialist or Marxist women will see you as a mere resource. If she’s already put you in the “no f—” zone, and she is still talking to you, you’re now in the “potential resource” zone. I sometimes forget that some people don’t do things for themselves and are not very independent – they rely on others, sometimes often, and other times exclusively. The thing about “takers” is that they would cease to exist without a world full of hapless givers. If it’s not a win-win, why are you doing it? Points in the afterlife?
this material is certainly better and is more embodies than your wanks of power, but you are rather off with ” Explaining yourself, no matter how rational your explanation is will be perceived as a demonstration of low status”. once i’ve played my hand and won, it might be necessary to explain what happened step-by-step to the losing side so that stay at the table and i keep on winning.
Not everyone shit tests others. Some are honestly straight-forward and consciously refuse to play such psychological games. Not only that, but to them the only “test” is to observe whether or not others shit test them.
Remember men, even if you fail every shit test, you’re still better than she is.
This is probably the most beta reaction of all, but reading most of this makes me want to permanently check out of a dating life. The idea that someone’s value is determined from shit tests and not something grounded in a real accomplishment or vision, just makes me glad I never tried to date much to begin with. I guess that’s okay, though, you never said passing shit tests really says anything substantial – it just means you played the game and won for now. The game is never totally over, and in the near future, something could totally compromise your formerly bright future anyway. So those that push on and still amount to something, they can laugh last (maybe, I mean…money doesn’t buy love, of course, but winning at this game doesn’t guarantee love either). This is a game of sex and perceived social value.
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So I have a question… In a world where women (especially borderlines) are always shit testing, and where “alpha” males are learning how to master the game, and fuck as many women as possible, what happens if a guy realizes that most women are whores and simply not worth it?
What if, when considering whether to become a “pick up artist” or just get good at “game”, a person realizes that the vast majority of women are probably full of STDs, and have been fucked by a million other “alpha” men, and therefore they’re just not worth it? What if you realize that even the best of alpha male pick up artists will end up old and dying alone because they (and all the women they pursued) were incapable of real friendship on top of love and lust?
What if fucking a million women just to feel better about yourself as a man doesn’t appeal to you because you’re able to see that, at the end of the day, PUAs are just really sophisticated man-whores? What if you realize that “playing the game” is just rapidly increasing the decline of western civilization and amplifying the “daddy issues” that most women have already?
A very in depth study. Excellent reading.
I agree on most of it, but it seems like being a man is about avoiding commitment and hooking up with girls..
Lying about having a girlfriend? Seriously?!
It’s a big sign for being playful and a cheater or simply someone who can not be trusted.
what about men shit testing women? some example of how should I shit test my LTR gf?
lol, this is way too much work and hassle to pass all those tests! I go for the easy button – only pick up girls that are several points below your SMV (ie. uglier girls). It works for me since I also happen to have a fetish for fat girls. So I’m 7/10 (6’1, 180 lbs, 10% bf very lean) but I always go for girls that are 5/10 or lower. That way there are no shit tests or any bullshit, it’s basically us drinking, laughing, having fun, and later going to her or my place and fuck. Now if you’re a guy that’s 5/10 or lower to start with – though shit! In that case I’d just give up and play WoW or something
You know, I loved playing these ‘games’ in High School. I spent many years chasing my own tail, trying to gauge “how wet her vag” is or if her “vag dried up.” To use the crude terms provided above. And I dated / chased many a women who also “played the game.”
And then one day I realized how utterly infantile and crude that kind of thinking is.
But hey, we all tend to run in packs of similar interests / mindsets, right?
It must get annoying to spend one’s entire life constantly fighting the opposite sex, proving yourself to your male peers, and thinking of everything as some sort of game. Every other living sentient thing out there is either something to be dominated or fucked, right? And questioning that is heresy. “Typical beta male-”
Like a dog. That’s how a /dog/ thinks. An ass-sniffing animal on four legs who pushes their nose up another dog’s ass. That’s your /shit/ test.
I realized how utterly and inanely stupid this game was when I finally met my spouse who said what she means, appreciated me for who I was, and enjoyed life without constantly playing asinine mental games. It was kind of nice to have a real conversation with someone – without having to ‘second guess’ or ‘translate’ her words into some moronic alien language that would inevitably result in a relationship of fighting and constantly proving something.
Do you know what I focused on? Investing in a home or stocks. Taking care of relatives. Doing something … meaningful … with my life. Rather than fighting everyone 24/7.
This stuff written here? Is great. For people who love playing games, arguing with other humans endlessly, and driving through life with this damaged “Alpha Male-Beta Male” bullshit.
And to be honest? Life is so much simpler and enjoyable when I got away from nearly all the utter bullshit mentioned above. It’s terrible advice – and requires thinking way too much thinking in all the wrong directions.
The long term end result is (best case scenario) … getting into a long-term relationship with an idiot who will constantly gauge your entire relationship / married on how much you can continually ‘prove’ yourself to her whilst constantly battling other males who try to fuck her. You know – because the Alpha Male gets the Alpha Female, right? And one day, another Alpha might swing around and take her away from you – because you got off your game.
Or you got too old.
Or you lost your job.
Or you got sick.
Or you got hurt at work.
Suddenly you’re not so alpha, are you? Suddenly, your age is showing. You aren’t as witty or quick as you used to be, eh?
And suddenly that hot little “Alpha Queen” you picked up? Has left you high and dry. Because you shacked up with someone like that. That was your choice. Because you followed the advice written above.
Instead of finding a female … who cared about you. Who didn’t give a fuck about any of that shit – and didn’t even blink when another “Alpha Male” shoved his cock in her face. She stayed with you because she was above that. It wasn’t about Alphas and Betas. It was about realizing that this is a Long Term trip. And it might not be “wise” to jump from Alpha Dick to Alpha Dick through out her life. Because one day she will get old, ugly, hurt, or sick.
… Do you see what I’m getting at her, speedy?
Don’t chase girls.
Get a girl – the girl you want – to chase you.
Become something a woman wants. Who other people want to be around. Who other people would respect – not because you have the “biggest cock” … but because you are worthy of respect for being a decent human being … in a landscape filled with neanderthals focusing only on short-term goals (gotta beat up sum pussy, yeah!!11!) … clumsily attempting to follow the drivel written above.
Oh, and remember that we are all going to – one day – become old and decrepit. And that Alpha Male-Beta Male bullshit … is going to really bite you in the ass in the end.
Think about that for a while.
Say what you mean. Be respectful, but not a push-over. Be firm; but gentle. Never give up, don’t be a door mat. Learn how to cook. Learn how to talk and dress like a normal fucking human – instead of trying to “decipher” some nonsensical unspoken language that merely results in a relationship riddled with “games” and endless arguments / grief. Learn skills. Adapt and overcome.
Boom. Much easier.
[Insert your witty / clever / ed-u-ma-cated rebuttal here; my silent smugness shall be my reply.]
I’m out.
Mike, your comment raises some good points. Among them, ‘be a man’, and finding a great woman, is well, great. Something to aspire to. I did. She has none of the bad qualities, and all of the good one’s. You are correct – they are out there, so don’t give up finding one. Being a good person is also valuable, and you give some examples. That is necessary to get a good woman BTW, because they are like guys in that way – they don’t stand for bullshit. Etc.
But you completely miss the point of an article on shit-tests.
You also seem to not have gotten the point that men shit-test all the time too.
Or that shit-testing is a social status setting process. Re-read the introduction. While it sucks, it is unavoidable, as humans are social creatures. Not to mention, that if you want to succeed in life, you are going to have to deal with people, and not all of them are high quality.
*A lot of guys don’t understand this, and it causes them no end of problems. That makes this article _very_ valuable.
As you are a former games-player, you seem not to grasp that this article is not about how to live your life, it is about the game of shit-testing.
*More importantly, it is a basic primer on how to deal with it.
The author has done men a great service in writing it, especially younger men without proper positive male influences, and you quite frankly don’t get that.
No connection to site’s author. I just liked the article, and found your comment unhelpful to the process of educating others.
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Q: “What’s your greatest weakness?”
A: “If I told you I’d have to kill you”
~ long pause of awkward silence ~
This is all very interesting and there is some truth to it. But the problem with playing games like this is that even when you “win”, you connect with someone with whom you have only a random chance of being compatible with. Honesty may not be as fun and you won’t connect with game-players, but you’re more likely to eventually connect with someone with whom you are really compatible. Long ago I decided not to play games. I had fewer dates, but I’ve been married to my first wife for 16 years. We have 3 kids.
Also, true alphas are born, not made. Guys, if you are interested enough in this topic to read this web page, you are no alpha. True alphas do not waste their time reading about, writing about, or discussing this. They just do their thing.
And beta is just a label. Don’t be ashamed of who you are. The label makes it sound bad, but that’s because it’s a poor label. The actually is not bad. Make your life interesting, practice good hygiene, be good to people, reach out to women via dating/matchmaking/etc. websites/social media, and sooner or later you will connect with a woman you like.
This was a great article. I spent two hours reading it and also the whole comment section. I find these “games” pretty immature and personally do not participate, whether within the group of males or with females.
I am a self-actualizing person (as in the Maslow theory of needs)
I crave neither social status, nor do I care for short-term sexual relationships. I care little for the alphas or the betas or the silly social pecking orders. From the early age, my main goal was to find a soulmate and real love, deep emotional connection with another person and I found one. Just to have sex and getting laid is pointless, it will not fulfill you. I also care little if I am socially accepted in a group of males or not, neither do I really acknowledge or accept any kind of authority (so called man of power, or alphas). I find most of the “small talk” and “shit tests” superficial and boring and actively ignore them. I engage emotionally only with people who I sense are sensitive, mature, wise and moral. It is better to have a couple of good quality friends who you can really rely on and who will not abandon you in a moment of crises than to have hundreds of acquitances. Relinquish your need to be someone in this society and it will free you. This need is born of fear. Confront this fear and you will become a master of yourself and than you can do anything. Choose the woman you want and make her happy. And this making each other happy is infinitely more fullfulling than self-grafifying sex which leaves you as lonely as before.
Is there a way to overcome your “name your biggest weakness” shit test that’s it’s always been in relation to employers on a regular basis,well judging from the looks of it,Guess it’s related to constructive criticism which even tho it’s on the guise of helping you to address your weakness or an another option of giving you another variant view of perspective taking and absorption
It can be quite annoying even tho it’s constructive advice being given out…well are there Any other ways of overcoming that?😅
-My biggest weakness? Is this some sort of shitty job interview?
-Women.
-I am looking for love in all the wrong places and now I have herpes on the eye brows.
What do I reply when she says as she is walking away … “its okay for you to be gay” … when she knows full well that I am not and that I want to fuck her? what is she testing me for?
She is testing you for your confidence in your sexuality and possibly trying to insult you. Most men go totally ape-shit, but you are a real masculine man and aloof of such irrelevant accusations. You fuck women for pleasure, and you live by your actions. You don’t care about labels that people attach to you.
You answer with anything really, just throw something against the wall. But as with any shit-test never explain yourself. Never excuse yourself. Keep your frame and be outcome neutral, that is all that shit-tests are about.
Firstly laugh. Then:
Aggree and amplify: “Yah, I am so gay I’ll put Elton John to shame.”
Aggree and flip: “Bi my dear. Got a problem with that?”
Pressure flip: “No wonder you are single when you think that every man you meet is gay.”
Deflect: “Ups, wrong venue. Do you know any good gay bars?”
Wow you have such an amazing understand and handling of shit-tests. What have you been reading and watching? Please give some suggestions as I want to know more about this stuff.
Nothing in particular. I do recommend reading Rational Male on the topic of developing sexual confidence and “aloofness”.
But most importantly it is really just life experience. The most important lesson to learn is to embrace the fact that you and your life is ulitimately irrelevant. Do not take yourself too serious. Always strive for excellence, but merely for yourself. Because you owe it to yourself to make the best shot in life.
And most especially do not take the outcome of your dating too serious. You need to adopt an attitude of abundance of women. You will fuck up a lot and badly. And that’s OK, because you already entered the date with a mindset of “OK, even if she is worthless and non-engaging, I am still doing something that I like”.
I for example always combine dates with things that I want to do, and I just take her along. Perhaps I want to visit a particular art display, perhaps I want to test a certain bar, restaurant or coffee place. Perhaps I want try out a shopping mall, have a walk in the park. Seriously, anything goes as long as YOU want it and YOU enjoy it.
Because she likes rubbing guys noses in the dirt.
a good response to that shit test would be “ ask you Mother and your Sister how gay I am “ lol.
I wonder how much shit test would matter from women if prostitution was legal all over the world ? 🤣
Micheal, you have not understood a single thing on this website. Women will always “shit-test” you. Men, too, just differently. Whenever somebody wants to pull you into their frame, they are “shit-testing” you.
“When people shit test you and it’s a lose-lose situation, opt to ignore them. You only win by not playing. For example, if someone insults you publicly to try to stir up drama (and it is assumed they will benefit from such controversy) your only recourse is to deprive them of the theatrical controversy which they seek. I’ve found that the more successful I’ve become within the various realms of my life, the more I’ve had other socially dominant men try to test my mettle by flagrantly disrespecting me just to see what I’ll do about it. It can be subtle and implied, or overt and explicit. Either way, not playing is oft the only winning move in such a situation. Even if you can come out on top in a battle of wits, you sink a lot of your precious time combating nonsense that you gain nothing from.”
This may not be true always. In the example you mentioned, ignore tactic may work. But for a public insult if you ignore it, it decreases your smv. That is the wrong move.
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Hey IM, Could you tell the differences between daddy issues and BPD? (causes, symptoms, how to handle it) I don’t seem to find any good resources on comparing these too. Here you mention a BPD girl shit tests you way more than the one with daddy issues. Thanks!
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